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#43381 - 05/21/08 02:35 PM 529 Plan & Asset Protection
Ken-man
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 3
I have a question involving creditor protection and looking for anyone to shed some light on this.

Illinois (last year) signed into law asset protection (from creditors & bankruptcy) for IL 529 assets. But what if I am an IL resident invested in the WV 529 plan? WV provides 529 asset protection for State residents in the WV 529 plan. Therefore it doesn't appear I will receive protection there.

Now, obviously as an IL resident in my own State's 529 plan (under the new law) I will be granted asset protection -- but what's not clear is if I will also inherit the asset protection in WV's 529 plan from IL as an IL resident. In other words, does IL law extend to provide asset protection when IL residents hold 529 accounts in other States?

Anyone happened to research this and can comment on it?

Thanks!

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#43382 - 05/21/08 03:18 PM Re: 529 Plan & Asset Protection [Re: Ken-man]
Drew
Registered: 01/09/00
Posts: 2457
There may not be much reliable light out there.
Susan T Bart, Esq has addressed creditor protection topics for 529s in NY and Fl and I think she is IL based. She writes for Morning Star. She appears well versed on legal matters .
(Some of the other stuff I saw was purely simplistic and unreliable)

1.Last time I looked at a state law it appeared to address that holder/owner was protected and it did not address or limit it to resident per se--but I did not read either law you cite nor would my views count as reliable.
2. Content seems to vary quite a bit.
3. If IL law applies to IL residents it may apply to all such plans held--certainly if public policy in IL is to rule out 529s it is likley to apply no matter where held. Then again it depends on who IL law reads.
4. Practical matter is state may have a big marketing incentive to protect its own instate participants but one must wonder how hard it would really fight to protect a nonresident participant?
5. I believe I could quickly move a WV praoduct to IL so as to gain IL protection--and do so w/o running afould of fraudulent conversion laws.
6. In my state I believe I could quicky shed ownership to some unrelated owner and completely obfuscate the picture--and not necessary trip over the fraudulent conveyance law of my state.

7.The level of protection in your state is NOT obvious.
8.In some states, without a protection statute, I believe a creditor could end run a plans protection, a creditor may not be able to pierce the plan but the owner can--merely get a court order upon the owner to go get teh planand cash it out and deliver it as court directs--and go to cooler for contempt if you fail to do so. A variation of this concept exists in some states for Medicaid --the state feels you could go get it!( NY) Other states say is out of loop.(MI)

AND asset protection may depend upon who the creditor is---it may not be out of the pot for equitable distribution issues in a contested divorce!
And it you get forced into bankrupcy there is essnetially a 3 tier test as to what is v what out--older gifts are out--some midterm gifts or are out but capped and new transfers are in....if you own it of course.

OK, now I'll add one more intentiallevel of obfuscation, what kind of 529? A 529/UTMA? The uniform transfer act has some very clear language that this is a completed transfer to the child--and is likley in your stateversion--I know it is in PA version--and rather recently our PA Supreme Court held that a UTMA is irrevocably vested with the child--so in that light it would seem very hard to get anyone to unwrap such a 529/UTMA even if you gift was barely cold. (You might get hit with fraudulent transfer issues but thats not your question. )

Of course you could use a trust as owner--and even domocile the trust in some hard to penetrate state for trusts like DE.

If you have big $$ exposure You'd be wise to use IL counsel ?
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#43383 - 05/21/08 05:35 PM Re: 529 Plan & Asset Protection [Re: Drew]
Ken-man
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 3
I just received the following from the IL State Treasury Office:

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The legal provision you're referring to is Illinois Public Act 095-0306 which states that "Moneys held in an account invested in the Illinois College Savings Pool shall be exempt from all claims of the creditors of the participant..." The Illinois act does not address the protection of moneys invested in out-of-state college savings pools, regardless of the address of domicile (Illinois) of the participant.

We advise you to contact the custodian of the West Virginia 529 Plan for participant information (does WV have their own public act which exempts moneys invested in the WV 529 plan from claims of the creditors of the participant?), or consult your legal/financial advisor for a definitive view.

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#43385 - 05/22/08 08:49 AM Re: 529 Plan & Asset Protection [Re: Ken-man]
Drew
Registered: 01/09/00
Posts: 2457
I am NOT aware of what WV says by law as to participant creditor protection.

As yo may know most issues of or who owns property are matters of state law--and state laws seem to vary as to ownership of the actual plan assets---and some are just silent or don't seem to address 529.

The WV literature seems to say that in WV a 529 is the completed gift to the designated beneficiary. So unless the debtor , owner and beneficiary are one and the same this poses some interesting issues as to the creditors access to assets which by WV law may be the property of the beneficiary and not the plan participant/owner per se. Somewhat akin to my creditors are not entitled to run thru accounts I hold as mere custodian or trustee or guardian but are really not mine---absent some fraudulent conveyance issues. WV law if it is as described in planliterature might even block the reversal of 529s under bankrupcy proceedings.

Again two suggestions if you have significant creditor exposure:

1. Get specific answers from competent legal counsel as to you specific expsures.

2. Move your assets or be prepared to move your assets and know the avilable moves so as to position the assets out of harms way. Its a lot easier to avoid confrontation than it is to debate it.

3. With a little bit of creative legal advice I'm sure one can posture a very healthy amount of assets in very creditor resistant pockets where 529s form a part of the structure. (A structure which is creditor resistant may not be cost or value effective on other scorecards so be careful your tail is not wagging your dog.)

Question: what kind of creditor isses are you concerned about?
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#43420 - 05/28/08 01:06 PM Re: 529 Plan & Asset Protection [Re: Drew]
Ken-man
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 3
Here's the response I got back....and I guess I got my answer.

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As stated in the Offering Statement dated October 3, 2007, "Under West Virginia law, moneys in the Trust Fund are exempt from creditor process, and are not subject to attachment, alienation, garnishment or other process, and moneys in an Account are exempt from the property of an estate in bankruptcy proceedings." The money you invest in the SMART529 Select will be deposited in the Trust. This applies to residents of West Viriginia who invest in the Plan and non-residents.

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#43421 - 05/28/08 01:26 PM Re: 529 Plan & Asset Protection [Re: Ken-man]
Drew
Registered: 01/09/00
Posts: 2457
Assuming the offering statement correctly copies WV law is sure reads as if once one gets money into a WV plan its darn bullet proof
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#43422 - 05/28/08 01:34 PM Re: 529 Plan & Asset Protection [Re: Drew]
Drew
Registered: 01/09/00
Posts: 2457
The fly in the ointment could be that since IL apparently does NOT protect assets held outside of IL--what would happen if an IL creditor got an IL order which said in effect to an IL owner of a WV plan, "you go get it"--as a Constitutional matter each state is sort of required to honor the lawful decrees of its sister states--and note the IL order was NOT upon the WV plan to cough it up but upon the IL resident to go get it thus sort of cutting IL out anyway. I think there are ways around this trap, if there is such a trap, but I'm not an attorney.

OK having suggested WV seems bullet proof--does the language eliminate it as to equitable distribution or not under the catch all of "other process."
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